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agent in charge. tom fuentes is here with me as we await the start of the news conference. he is fully prepared, tom, you're a former fbi assistant director, our analyst now. but he is coming in and knows precisely what he wants the american public to know. >> right. that is exactly right and among the considerations that have been going on since yesterday. they have one issue of informing the public and the other of having to be careful about what kind of strategy issues they reveal. >> they don't want to do anything to undermine the investigation. at the same time they believe people might be able to help with some evidence. >> people might be able to help but at the same time they don't want to jeptize the potential success of apprehending the right people and being able to convict them later. >> you don't want to undermine an eventual prosecution if you will. we anticipate because it has been delayed now for 24 hours he obviously has something important to say. >> i would assume. there's been a lot of things going on behind the scenes over the course of the entire investigation and
, and former fbi assistant director tom fuentes, also hln law enforcement analyst mike brooks. fran, let's go through the pictures. we were talking about suspect number two, wearing the white cap. there are eight still photos, i want to put up on the screen, so viewers in the united states and around the world can get a better look at this individual. you see, fran, the baseball cap backwards on his head. you see his outfit there. he could pass for anyone almost, boston, a lot of college students, he's walking around at the end of the boston marathon, pretty casually. >> he is, wolf. you used a word earlier to describe him as cocky. and let's focus on that for a second. because i think you're absolutely right. you don't get cocky and confident with a bomb in your backpack unless you've thought about this, unless you've planned it. and the likelihood is, these guys did sort of what we call operational surveillance. they did dry runs before. so when the fbi special agent in charge says they're especially interested in those who were inside the restaurant, the forum restaurant, outside of which
joined by tom fuentes, former fbi assistant director. tom, there's a lot of questions i have here about the bombs. two new pieces of information over the last hour, brand-new. number one, two bombs and two bombs only, just the ones that went off, no unexploded devices. what does that tell you? >> first of all, john, it tells you that without having unexploded devices they're going to have to piece together the ones that did explode. that's going to take longer than being able to reverse-engineer a bomb recovered intact. but, to me, what this very much reminds me -- i was one of the fbi commanders at the summer olympics in atlanta in 1996. i was on duty assisting the commander in the command post when the centennial park bomb went off. and that bomb turned out to be basically a pipe bomb in a backpack. and above it, when the -- the investigators actually had a look at that before it exploded. it had plastic food container and in the container was roofing nails. the fbi was able later in the investigation to trace back to where those nails were made, the particular company that manufactur
's hospital in boston. many bomb victims are being treated there. cnn analyst, tom fuentes joining us boston, new information about the bomb but how it was designed. jessica yellin live from the white house. we have every angle covered as we try to find more information out. >> erin, because we obviously set the scene here by remembering the little boy who lost his life, three lives were taken, his face kind of captures the symbolism of how harsh and painful the situation was. we're learning more about him and the family. we heard about the reaction from his father. carol costello's piece setting up exactly who this little boy was and what was lost. >> reporter: martin richard is now sadly the face of the tragedy. he was just 8 years old, a much loved boy. this is martin who, according to affiliate station whdh, ran into the street to congratulate his dad who was just about to cross the finish line. that moment of joy and triumph turned deadly for marten. >>> i thought i saw a child laying to the left and my wife didn't see that as she later told me. i thought perhaps it was clothing or perh
his brother was participating. tom fuentes is here, former fbi assistant director, cnn contributor. what does it look like to you? and i don't want to overly speculate, tom, because as you know early reports are often wrong. we could be way off base. but clearly they are saying this was an explosive investigating whether there's a connection. we'll see how that plays out. as a precaution, the jfk library is in the dorchester section, the john f. kennedy school of government across the charles river in cambridge has been evacuated, one of the many precautions being taken as people are alert and on edge because there's such conflict g ing information. you heard ed davis, the boston police commissioner, confirm what i was told by a state government official a bit earlier, that there were no advanced credible threats or warnings something was coming. as they launch will into the investigation now, it's not like they're trying to follow up on information they received in advance of t advance. as you look at the site here, just want to remind people this is the heart and soul of downtow
, wolf, and that is, an arrest. wolf? >> yeah, tom foreman, tom fuentes, thanks very much for that analysis. the fbi agent in charge says this investigation is in its infancy right now. up next, video from the crucial moments while the marathon was understood way, before the attack. what investigators are looking for in every image. we'll assess for you, and you may have seen the video, a man blown off his feet when the bombs went off. he's telling his dramatic story. ♪ (train horn) vo: wherever our trains go, the economy comes to life. norfolk southern. one line, infinite possibilities. how old is the oldest person you've known? we gave people a sticker and had them show us. we learned a lot of us have known someone who's lived well into their 90s. and that's a great thing. but even though we're living longer, one thing that hasn't changed: the official retirement age. ♪ the question is how do you make sure you have the money you need to enjoy all of these years. ♪ over our secure network, verizon innovators are building a world of medical treatment data in the clou
they were brothers from chechnya. why i want to bring in tom fuentes right now, former assistant director from the fbi, cnn analyst. tom the associated press reporting brothers from chechnya. when you hear that, what does that mean? >> well, unfortunately it means islamic fundamentalist terrorism. chechnyans have been engaged in the battle with russia to try to break away because of the predominantly muslim regions in the southwestern area of russia. and they feel that they would like to have been separated. so they've been fighting with russia for decades to try to become an independent country. and they've committed many, many terrorist acts in russia. for a long time. of course we remember the bedouin school incident in russia in 2004. we remember the airplanes blown out of the sky over russia also in 2004. the opera house incident where more than 20 chechen terrorists took over the russian opera house, held about 800 people hostage. before that incident was over, hundreds were killed in trying to resolve that. chechnya has been kind of a training ground before afghanistan and iraq for
and cnn contributor tom fuentes, we'll be back to you soon. i want to go back to senior white house correspondent jessica yellin who has more information about the president and how he was notified. jessica? >> reporter: hi, jake. president obama was notified by his new homeland security adviser lisa monaco and other members of senior white house staff when he was in the oval office earlier today. monaco as you know took the place of his now-departed homeland security adviser who has now left for the cia. monaco new on the job, the president has spoken with the mayor of boston, tom anino, and massachusetts governor duvall patrick and offered them all the resources that they may need from the federal government. in a statement we're also told that he expressed his concern for those who were injured and made clear, again, that his administration is ready to provide needed support as they respond to this incident. jake, the president does have one event later this afternoon so we are scheduled to see him on camera. h will be officially induct the new diplomats into the foreign service
to stay inside because someone else may be on the loose. tom fuentes is a former assistant director with the fbi who knows a lot about situations like this, he is joining us on the phone now from washington. tom, you have been watching all night, what are your observations? >> i think right now we have a lot of confusion going on trying to figure out whether it's connected to the boston marathon bombing and what occurred last night. several pockets, could be the individual, they could have received notification from somebody recognizing one or both of the subjects in the video and reporting that and the police possibly approached the location. they ended up in a shoot-out and explosives being used. the second possibility is you could have a copy cat. you could have somebody else drawing on what they have seen this week from the marathon bombing and they may have planted explosives. police may have responded to that with one or two suspects, so that's still a possibility. and then the person in custody now, trying to verify whether that person is related to the explosives at m.i.t.,
contributor and former fbi assistant director tom fuentes. julia, what are you hearing at this hour? what is important for people to know? >> people need to focus on first the response and how it really was successful moving people out. the primary concern was these runners who ended up coming right down this street rather than down boylston. the second thing is there is going to be a lot of rumors for the next 12 to 24 hours. the good news on this front is we have the devices, so that we can examine them, and there's probably a lot of cameras and video surveillance, iphones, people took pictures. i would suspect there's a break in this within 24 hours. >> there's a lot that can be learned from looking at these devices, the remnants of these devices. >> absolutely. what's the sophistication level. fingerprints. if it's someone who is new at it, they might have left other traces that will lead them in different directions. there's going to be both the foreign intelligence aspect to this and then the domestic side to it. people are asking me all day today oh, was it al qaeda, was it domesti
to the governor as soon as he gets here. governor duval patrick. tom fuentes is the former fbi assistant director, a cnn analyst joining us right now. what are you hearing? you have good sources. what is the latest information you're getting ob the status, the state of this criminal investigation into these two bombings at the boston marathon that killed three people and injured nearly 200? >> hi, wolf. i think what it shows is that it requires a great deal of meticulous work to put this together and that working with all of the still pictures, video pictures, security camera pictures, trying to put that all together into a chronological sequence to logically show who walked up to the places where those bombs went off, did someone set something down, do they have a clear picture of the person, where did they go afterward? how soon afterward did the explosion occur? that is a very pains taking, deliberative process. i think the information then of significant progress is that they do have some pictures that do show faces fairly clearly and it is very important in helping them track down the indivi
. to continue to watch what's going on. i want to go to fran townsend, tom fuentes, to get a little better sense of what we just heard. fran, give us your thoughts on what we just heard from governor deval patrick? >> i think he's trying to assure the people it will come to a conclusion and people will be brought to justice. interesting he didn't acknowledge the special agent in charge in boston, acknowledged the recovery of the pressure cooker. we talked about that this morning. the lid, there are pictures now out with the forensics. we know law enforcement has gone through these videotapes and are focused on particular individuals. they've gotten a lot of investigative work done today. and they are much closer. it was interesting to me, wolf, he didn't really want to acknowledge the -- all of the investigative progress that's pn made, other than to say they's encouraged by it and it will take time. look, they want to build themselves space to complete this thing on their own time frame. i do think it's interesting that he doesn't think there's going to be a press conference today, as you repor
if jay carney walks out within the next minute or so. tom fuentes, our law enforcement analyst standing by, former assistant director of the fbi. quick question before we go to jay carney, tom. if these tests -- the preliminary tests, one, two, three preliminary tests show a positive reading for ricin, a deadly poison, are those usually accurate? or when they send them to maryland to more sophisticated labs they prove out to be inaccurate? >> no. they do prove out to be inaccurate. there's a very high number of false positives with the tests on ricin poison. and the test yesterday, the very first letter that arrived yesterday there were multiple tests that differed with each other in the field. so you had the first test that was positive, second test negative, third test inconclusive. so really the fbi is relying on the definitive testing from f t maryland. and, again, that will continue on -- >> that lab in maryland -- yeah, that lab, that's where they sent all the anthrax-laced letters as well. that's the most sophisticated lab that the u.s. government operates when it comes to these
. add tom fuentes to the conversation. you've been watching this. you heard the gun shots that drew heard. you saw the emergency vehicles go behind us. you heard the reports that deb is saying about the suspect perhaps being cornered. do you think this is it? this is the moment? >> well right now, erin, we have no way to know whether it is or is not for sure. but what they're hoping or what you would hope in a situation like this is that you have a -- what would be characterized as a barricaded subject with no hostages, meaning he's hold up in some room or apartment or facility but he's alone. he doesn't have anybody else. the police can surround it. they can inject gas and try to just flush him out and try to get him to surrender that way. that would be the optimum. >> david fitzpatrick is our producer as we said who is on the scene. david, tell us exactly again where you are and what is happening. >> erin, i'm in a parking lot -- commercial parking lot, probably 400 yards away from were heavily armed officers moving in amongst some houses. i see some of the officers withdrawing do
and identify these two people. >> tom fuentes is joining us now as he has been over these past several days, former assistant director of the fbi, a cnn analyst right now. take us a little bit behind the scenes, tom. what's the biggest concern the investigators have right now even as they're closing in -- apparently closing in, we hope they're closing in, on the second suspect? >> well, i think, wolf, the biggest concern they have is that increasingly you have a cornered animal essentially. he could get desperate. he could ambush the police officers that are searching apartment by apartment. he could set up booby traps and try to hurt or kill law enforcement officers by that means he could break into somebody's apartment, in other words do a home invasion and hold people hostage or become a barricaded subject with hazardous materials. so there's a number of possible problem situations that could develop in these last few minutes as they're trying to get him apprehended. as they close-in closer, he's going to become more dangerous. don't forget he's already dangerous. in addition to the mara
there are no suspects in custody. "outfront" tonight, former fbi assistant director tom fuentes and fran townsend. what is the latest can you tell us from your reporting of what we know right now? there are so many question marks. >> and there remain a lot of questions, erin. we know that this was a well planned, coordinated attack that had the two bombs go off. we're told by law enforcement authorities that they were what they refer to as crude devices. that is it wasn't a high grade explosive. as bad as those explosions look, they could have been much worse if it was a high grade explosion. what they're looking for, we see many injuries from the flying glass. they'll look to see if there were other things put in the explosives packages to increase the likelihood of injury. >> often they do, right? they put all kinds of things whether it's ball bearings, nails -- >> exactly. that's right. so they're looking for that sort of thing. they made clear to me while they're calling -- the fbi has designated this a terrorism event, they don't know whether it was perpetrated by a domestic group or a foreign gro
fran townsend, and tom fuentes. first of all, julia, what do you make of these photos the local affiliate had that show what looks like some sort of a from today, which is something that was wrapped in black and was delivered by a bag. and that sort of was the first hint they think the guy was here, the perpetrators were on-site and they dropped something. all of this seems consistent. on the other hand, it's too hard to tell, at least, from the two different slides we saw if, in fact, it was something behind the spectators and that piece sort of blew up with it. but that's the kind of information they need. what we're hearing is they have photos of say, here, and photos of here, but they don't have is right in the middle. do they have a picture of a guy dropping something or several people dropping something. that's why they're asking the public for the information and the media, as well. >> fran, last night we urged caution about authorities talking to a saudi national who was wounded in a blast. authorities are now saying that person had nothing to do with it. that he was in
a conversation with him. try to have this end where he comes into custody. >> well, that's more of tom fuentes' area of expertise in mind. >> peter, hold on one second. we just got a development here. the uncle of the suspect has just released a statement. we want to go to it right now. this is what he had to say. >> i think we don't actually quite have that. >> it's coming. we're getting ready to go. >> move the mic stand down. can someone move the mic stand down? >> easy, easy, fellas. easy. >> whoa! >> sorry. >> someone take the stand back there. >> down in front. >> here we go. >> down in front. >> can you come up here, please? >> thank you. thank you very much. >> i wanted to speak on behalf of tsarnaev. what happened when we heard this morning about people negotiated for my family, i would say my family associated. i want to start, and i will finish with that. first, the only person here to deliver condolences are those who have been murdered. those who have been injured. those boys, those chinese girls, i've just been following this. i've been following it from day one, but never, ever
, and a former fbi director, tom fuentes. julie ann, we've been showing this picture of a pressure cooker device in a bag. what do you make of where this investigation stands? >> it's going to be for the forensics to reassemble the devices. this black wrapping around it, where might that have come from, as well as the eyewitness accounts and pictures and all the stuff the fbi is asking for from people who were there, runners, family members. they're going to both go on simultaneously, one at quantico and one obviously here or at d.c. they're putting tremendous emphasis on who saw what here, and that's because i think there are probably gaps in terms of timing of the photographs they have. they're probably thinking the perpetrator was here on-site and put the packages down. they're hoping someone has pictures and someone comes forward. >> the fact they're still asking for the public's help -- >> means there's a gap, or they want as much information as possible, and then it's just going to take days and weeks and months. and that's the one thing to say to people watching, that this is not going to
it unfolds. >> we're getting some conflicting reports about an arrest. we have tom fuentes with us now. tom, can you hear us? are you with us? >> yes, i can. >> all right, tom. what are you hearing? >> i have actually three separate sources, but two that are very highly placed and close to the investigation that have just told me that there has been no arrest, and, in fact, a suspect has not been identified by name yet, that they have -- they're looking for someone, but don't have anybody in custody yet and don't have an identification. >> okay. now, that would be, you know, we don't know what's right or not right at this point. as anderson always says, you don't want to go down the road of speculation wrongfully, but to say they went from spotting someone on a videotape with a very vague description to finding him in such a short amount of time is a very unbelievable thing. it is possible. >> my caution, though, it is -- look, the people involved with law enforcement, sorry i've been so cautious and i was getting a little nervous we were getting ahead of this, but there is a lot of people
. but this is smart. this is just to keep people off the streets. >> we'll go to tom fuentes, former assistant director with the fbi. a cnn analyst, very broad base of knowledge on situations just like this. and tom, the news we just got that the mbta, all subways and buses suspended service at the request of the police. what do you make of that? >> hi, john. i think they are just trying to keep people locked down and reduce the amount of people out on the street and just want everybody to stay home as if you had a blizzard situation. but there's many considerations here. this has turned into almost a standard fugitive hunt that the police go through all the time. and police executives constantly learn from other incidents in other parts of the country. the most recent similar situation we had was the dorner case in los angeles just two months ago. but in that case when they found the burning vehicle, they believed he was on that mountain top. they only had 400 red dens to deal with to try to search and find him. and worry that he could carjack them and leave a week. it took a week with 400 bu
eskimos to keep everybody calm, then they continue. >> that could be a powerful explosion. tom fuentes, former assistant director of the fbi. when you heard what law enforcement, massachusetts state police, the watertown police, what they had to say, of course the governor and the mayor, what was your immediate bottom line on the state, tom, of this effort to apprehend this suspect, this alleged killer? >> well i thought it's a good job on their part to come out and just let everybody know they are method clowe working through these. >> . when they say they are 60, 70% through with what they are trying to accomplish, when they say what they are doing in the neighborhoods, and a control explosion, i think it's basically telling everybody they are there, they are making everybody safe, they are gonna resolve this, they are working through the public safety. >> and i think that, again, it's an example of each agency of a task force brings to the table their expertise. so yes, you've got the federal investigators off, trying to cover leads all over the world and resolve. >> and the subject
for and they placed themselves at the scene. let's bring in tom fuentes. tom, assuming these men are the men that authorities believe them to be what is it shaping up what the purpose is, the chance that they are connected to an organization? what is your feeling? >> they probably weren't dispatched here. they have been in the u.s. a long time. doesn't appear somebody overseas trained them, sent them here on a mission. they were here, trying to assimilate into u.s. society and somehow that didn't quite take. the other thing we don't know. he may have a more dominant personality and may have directed the young kid started out okay. maybe brought him along to do bad things. one of the things we discussed at the time of the marathon, they didn't die, stay, martyr themselves. we have someone detonate two bombs and leave. actually stay around a while to watch the carnage, but then leave. we thought, well, they are not dedicated to the mission that a martyr would normally be. last night changed everything in that regard. they were not encountered. this isn't as if law enforcement got a lead, went
on technology sherri turckel, tom fuentes and clinical psychologist jeff gardere. did this sleuthing help or hurt this whole investigation? tom fuentea weuentes let me sta you. >> the only time it hurts is when you get information from the public when somebody deliberately is trying to cause trouble for an ex-husband or ex-wife or somebody they have a personal grudge with for some reason but when people are sincerely trying to help, you just never know and out of that, it's an avalanche of information, but out of that might be just the right snowflake that solves the case, so you know, from the fbi or police standpoint they'd rather have too much than too little. >> let me toss this out to the group here, is this the new norm here? are we going to see social media becoming the norm in solving big crimes like this? >> i think definitely you will. this is how people stay in touch, this is how people stay empowered, this is how people are able to communicate with one another and as psychologists, we tell people don't give in to the anxiety, don't give in to the fear. instead, find ways to be
me from washington, d.c., tom fuentes former assistant director for the fbi and michael bouchard former assistant director of the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives. authorities are poring over these items to try to find any clues. tom, what was your first thought when you heard of the materials used to create the bomb? >> it sounded like a fairly simple bomb. using a pressure cooker is like creating a pipe bomb in essence. you put the material inside the cooker, close and lock the lid. as the explosive material burns and burns very quickly the gases expand and at a certain point it is too much pressure for the lid and the pan blows up. you can insert in that debris and shrapnel and other items but it is essentially not any different than taking a long pipe and capping both ends with an ex-ploes alternative the middle. it is just a little different thing. it is a store bought thing that seals up and works very well. >> how hard would it be to transport one of these pressure cooker bombs through a crowd as big as the one around the finish line off the boston mara
night, after the gun battle with the police. >> that's tom fuentes, formerly with the fbi, who has been monitoring this for us. anderson cooper here taking over our coverage. i'm here with john king and deborah feyerick. if you are just joining us, this is a pivotal moment in this manhunt that we have been monitoring all day long. authorities believe they have a possible suspect surrounded, located in a structure, we're not going to go into further detail than that for tactical reasons. we have reports, deb, what are the latest reports about flash-bangs? >> latest report is that they have deployed several flash-bangs from the ground, we're hearing eight. some of those could be echoes. they deployed a number of flash-bangs and are getting ready to deploy gas as well. they really want to stun him because they just don't know what kind of state of mind he's in. he may be desperate. somebody today described him as a cornered cat, that he's desperate and you don't know how he will strike out. so they're trying to proceed with as much caution as they possibly can to take him alive, but also t
a little bit about how unprecedented it is. tom fuentes is joining us. the former assistant director of the fbi. also juliette kyemm is here former national security analyst and also representative of the boston globe. tom, give us a perspective. how big a deal is this as far as the fbi is concerned, historically speaking? >> wolf, as far as i can remember, in my 30 years in the bureau and years before and after in law enforcement, i can't recall a fugitive search that was this large of a scale. as far as i can recall this is about the biggest we've seen. >> juliette, what do you think? >> i absolutely agree with tom. i think one of the challenges right now for people in government is how do you try to get some semblance of normalcy? that may be what we'll hear at 5:30. how do you ratchet down so to speak if we don't find him? how do you make people safe and yet get back to work and be resilient and go on? part of it is going to be my guess is going to be tied to what's happening in watertown which seems to be the focal point right now. i think once they go through each of the houses
to talk to tom fuentes, former fbi assistant director, now a cnn contributor. in addition to the investigation this morning, there is still the remembering, and the mourning going around. all around this city, all around the country. for the three victims who died in the marathon bombing. thousands turned out for this candlelight vigil last night, paying tribute to one of the youngest casualties. cnn's pamela brown has been following that part of the story. she's here with us this morning. >> good morning to you. like you said, thousands turned out last night to remember the life of 8-year-old martin richard in a candlelight vigil. one of many ways communities throughout boston coming together to pay their respects as the city tries to pick up the pieces. an outpouring of raw emotion from a community struck by grief. friends and family of 8-year-old martin richard gathered in a park near his home to remember him and pray for his family. his 6-year-old sister lost a leg, and his mother has a serious brain injury. on tuesday friends and relatives dropped off flowers at the f
information in the investigation, cnn analyst and former fbi assistant director tom fuentes and hln law enforcement analyst mike brooks. let's start with the bombs, what we now know. we're hearing the bombs were put in pressure cookers, likely involved with timing device. what do you make of that? >> i would like to know what the basis is that it is pressure cookers because the bomb characteristics look very much like a typical pipe bomb. and a pressure cooker would act like that, and i know from other incidents that pressure cookers have been used basically to use for land -- excuse me, land mines in places like colombia or in the middle east. i'm not aware of one off hand where a pressure cooker was used domestically, an actual crock pot or slow cooker because a pipe bomb would be easier to use and just screw on the caps at the end of the pipe after you inserted the explosive and the detonator and then placed it in a container that has other debris or nails or shrapnel and exploded that way. so i'm not sure. i haven't seen the direct evidence that the pressure cookers were used that w
secretary for homeland security julieann kyle, and a former fbi director, tom fuentes. julie ann, we've been showing this picture of a pressure cooker device in a bag. what do you make of where this investigation stands? >> it's going to be for the f forensics to reassemble the devices. this black wrapping around it, where might that have come from, as well as the eyewitness accounts and pictures and all the stuff the fbi is asking for from people who were there, runners, family members. they're going to both go on simultaneously, one at quantico and one obviously here or at d.c. they're putting tremendous emphasis on who saw what here, and that's because i think there are probably gaps in terms of timing of the photographs they have. they're probably thinking the perpetrator was here on-site and put the packages down. they're hoping someone has pictures and someone comes forward. >> the fact they're still asking for the public's help -- >> means there's a gap, or they want as much information as possible, and then it's just going to take days and weeks and months. and that's the one thing t
leads. susan, drew, stay with me. cnn analyst, fran townsend and tom fuentes joins me now. tom is currently on the cia and department of homeland security external advisory boards. tom, what stands out to you from these images? >> i think the complete poise and nonchalance of these two walking down the street. they just seem like they're so proud of themselves, comfortable, mr. cool, especially the guy with the hat on backwards, he's just strolling along thinking he's just the greatest. i think that -- i think what jumps out at me is actually in the discussion about whether it's a lone wolf, the lone wolf, even if it's with firearms like the lanzas of the world, they don't socialize with other people. they stay in their basement and stay on their computer and they don't meet a lot of other people. they're not social. these two seem like they would be social, like they would go to parties, like they would have friends, like they might have pictures of themselves with those hats, not from that day, maybe, but there might be something on one of the social media sites where they've
to bring in the former fbi assistant director tom fuentes, and don barelli, cfo of the firm that specializes in security and counterterrorism. tom, we'll start with you. we obviously have these photos. how significant is that for the fbi? you see the underwriters laboratories logo on some of those, you see serial numbers. is this going to be a big development for them? >> well, it is a development, certainly, erin, but we don't know if the company actually recorded those numbers more than just when the date of manufacture at the factory. they may not have recorded what retail store they were sent to or what date they actually got shipped and sold at the retail store. we just don't know that. they may have, but we don't know that yet. as far as the devices, obviously they'll be searched for possible forensic evidence on them. there could still be fingerprints or dna, skin particles, hair of the person that put the bomb together, put the device together. and as you've seen with those pressure cookers, almost everything that is put into a bomb is bent, twisted, burned but not c
days ago to help better secure public events nationwide. cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes and cnn national security analyst fran townsend are live in washington, d.c. tom, let's start with you. what are some of the things investigators will look for in boston to help thwart future attacks? >> i think, primarily, the one thing that could be altered in the future if they want to would be the race course itself. you might have a situation where maybe it ends inside a stadium so maybe the last half mile or quarter mile would be in a secure, hardened area people have to be checked before they go into, assuming that the likely place for an attack is going to be somewhere near the finish line. even then, we're talking about 26.2 miles. how do you secure that whole thing? maybe you can secure the 0.2 part of it. what about the first 26? they're going to be looking at that. that doesn't mean there is any easy solutions to future events like this one. >> fran, we have a few major events coming up in the next few months, big ones like the kentucky derby, indy 500. we're going to have
the way along in terms of these pictures and how significant they are. i want to bring in tom fuentes into the conversation, you heard the latest of deb's reporting on the importance of this picture, on the two suspects, on what they were wearing. what do you think about how important these men are? >> well, obviously, erin, they're critical. they want to locate them, they'll have a tremendous amount of information. if by some chance they're not involved in the bombing, then they're certainly prime witnesses, to whoever else may have been, if it wasn't them. i think by the nature of the photographs, of what their activities were, the length of time at the scene. it certainly has a strong appearance that they may have been the ones to be involved in putting that explosive device there on the ground. so very important. >> and also, former u.s. attorney and the former acting director of the atf. deb has been breaking the story on the pictures all the way through the night. earlier reporting they were men of interest. now they're more than that. still may be innocent but they're more than
in massachusetts. 24 hour period, this has been tom fuentes formerly from the fbi is standing by monitoring all of this as well. tommy your thoughts at this moment? >> anderson i just wanted to give you one possible scenario which occurred in the under wear bomber case. after he was arrested he was provided his miranda rights by an fbi agent who was about to start questioning him. now he required medical attention because of burns he received from explosive device. so they accompanied to the hospital. he was given the miranda rights. that interview was 18 hours before he had enough and took it in. so if he wants to waive his rights he doesn't immediately have to get booked and get a defense attorney assigned. we don't know exactly how severe his injuries are. i would think they're not that severe. they had an ambulance at the scene. if he required that degree of medical care he would have been transported by an ambulance rather than by police. so in this case, it's really going to depend on what his attitude is when the agents try to talk to him. they'll give him his rights. if he says, i'm exe
. >> appreciate the update. i want to bring in tom fuentes. former fbi assistant director with extensive experience investigating attacks like this one. what do you make of this development? >> i think susan's exactly right. they're trying to circulate among law enforcement as the first chance to try to identify one of these individuals, not to have individuals at this time put out over the media, where they realize they are suspects. and maybe leave the country and make it harder to locate them. i think it's a strategy choice they've made to try to do it this way, the idea being that maybe if they can apprehend one of them or both, but specifically one, that person may cooperate and give up the identity of others that may have been involved if there's more than one person involved. and again, the other people would not be alerted to flee, if, in fact, it's not public yet who they are. that's a hard decision to make. they're balancing the fact that if they put the public -- the pictures out in the public, they're going to have a much easier chance. but at the same time, they're going to
be a powerful explosion. tom fuentes, our cnn law enforcement analyst, former assistant director of the fbi. when you heard what law enforcement, massachusetts state police, watertown police, what they had to say, of course the governor and mayor, what was your immediate bottom line on state, tom, of this effort to apprehend this suspect, this alleged killer? >> wolf, i thought it's a good job on their part to come out and just let everybody know that they're methodically working through these issues. when they say they're 60%, 70% through with what they're trying to accomplish, when they say what they're doing in the neighborhoods and a controlled explosion, i think it's basically telling everybody they're there, they're making everybody safe, they're going to resolve this, they're working through the public safety issues. and i think that, again, it's an example of each agency of a task force brings to the table their expertise. so, yes, you've got the federal investigators off trying to cover leads all over the world and resolve issues on the subjects of the case. but then you also have
have been describing the younger of the tsarnaev brothers. cnn analyst tom fuentes and fran townsend are live in washington. does any of what we know about these suspects gel with how the fbi may have profiled the marathon bombers before they had a name or a face? they are uniformly, all the descriptions of dzhokhar are positive. >> well, that's true. the descriptions have been positive from classmates and friends but they may not have seen the other side of him, the jeky jekyll/hyde aspect of his personality. they also comment on and say they don't know the older brother. that would also mean they are unaware of the hold, you know, pressure, intimidation that the older brother would have over the younger. so that's the other aspect of this is that if his older brother is intimidating him, pressuring him, persuading him to go along with this and he goes ahead and does it, you know, his other friends may be completely unaware of that side of his personality. >> tom, you're a former assistant director of the fbi. are you surprised that at this hour the law enforcement have apparently n
. joining us now, our cnn law enforcement analyst, the former assistant fbi director, tom fuentes. also joining us from the new america foundation, senior research fellow film specialist on counterterrorism and intelligence formally with the cia. tom fuentes, first to you. let's talk a little about this investigation. as the governor of massachusetts, deval patrick said to me yesterday, we're all used to watching these kinds of dramas on tv whether "csi" or whatever. we expect very quick results. doesn't always happen like that. this could take a while, this investigation, right? >> that's true, wolf. you know, they want to be very meticulous and deliberative in how they put out information, especially public information about someone or someones that they're looking for to talk to. they've had problems in the past if someone's been characterized as a suspect either by law enforcement or by the media. >> by the way, let me interrupt for a second. that's mitt romney -- tom, hold on. mitt romney, former governor, former republican presidential nominee. he's here at the cathedral of the ho
the movements inside that boat. joining us now is tom foreman, national security analyst, tom fuentes as well, assistant former director of the fbi. these thermal images, walk us through, tom, what was going on. >> we were just talking about this a moment ago, wolf, astonishing this is the boat here, so you have a sense what we are talking about, nearby house, fence on this side. tom, you were saying in this picture, you can't see much in terms of anybody inside the boat, this picture is still very valuable. why? >> it is going to help you position your tactical people, your observers, sniper observers, bomb techs and any other things. this is being shot in video. we are only seeing the still picture. so, this is getting collected through the -- excuse me, a forward-looking infrared image willing system of the helicopter that system is then being beamed down to a tactical command post right outside this area, would be very close and the tactical on-scene commander around all the key component leaders, the evidence text, the bomb text, negotiators, observers, they would all be directed in thei
pictures, jake. >> amazing indeed. i now want to bring in barbara starr and tom fuentes on the phone. the military uses this kind much technology all the time. barbara, are you there? tom, if you're there, if you can react to the use of this thermal imaging technology. >> yes, the technology is called flare, forward looking infrared, usually mount order helicopters because they ccan hover. and you get a video feedback to the helicopter, forward whatever the command post is. so the commanders can actually watch that video live as it's being taken. the way that works is obviously the human body is wawarmer than air around him so it stands out. it's very common in law enforcement. that's why the state police have it on their helicopter. you would use it in fugitive searches, you would use it if you have missing children in the woods and you want to try to look down at night and try to be able to find them as they're walking around lost. so it's a commonly used technology. >> would the fbi and law enforcement be using this kind of technology throughout the week at night as they searched?
, nylon and maybe -- maybe it's enough to find a suspect. joining me now are tom fuentes, cnn analyst and former fbi assistant director and fran townsend, cnn national security analyst and former homeland security adviser to president bush. good morning to you both. >> good morning, carol. >> fran, you broke this latest find. the pressure cooker lid. how important could this be to the investigation? >> you know, carol, all of the pieces of the bomb after it exploded are important. they generate 1,000 leads, but this is particularly important. one for its size, and for its proximity. in other words, the bombmaker would have had to have touched it and may have left some sort of dna evidence, latent fingerprint evidence. something that may help investigators to actually identify the bombmaker. they will have to follow all of the investigative leads from these pieces, talk to manufacturers of various component pieces and talk to people who -- shops that sold these devices, whether it's batteries, wires, the pressure cooker, but the lid itself is a key find for investigators, that at least
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